With the release of Batman vs Superman there is sure to be much debate and discussion about the film and the effect it has had on audiences. These effects are already prevalent and identifiable among movie-goers and comic book fans alike. Now, this is not going to be a review on the film but merely a thesis on how best to approach the polarity that this film has had. For our review on the film, stay tuned as it will likely come out this coming weekend sometime.
Discussion and debate are two methods that are often used to help others understand our position and to help persuade those who we disagree with. I believe these discussions and even arguments are vital to the nerd/geek community as a way to grow closer and arrive at a place of universal understanding. However, these arguments need to be constructive and avoid fallacious reasoning. It is nigh impossible for us to believe something without good reason. The polarity of Batman vs Superman has rendered members of our community to nothing more than angsty and overly defensive pronouncers. I will refer to those people for the sake of this post as Eristic Nerds. It is important to keep in mind that saying "the film was too dark to be good" is not a good argument. It is an opinion presented as fact. the same is true of saying that it is good because it was dark and gritty. Instead, if I was making the argument, I would say something to the effect that I either do or don't enjoy gritty films. That is an explicit expression of my opinion which can be understood by others. Presenting opinions as facts is a sure-fire way to irritate other people in the discussion.
The first thing I will say is that critic reviews should not ever matter. All reviews are a matter of opinion and opinions are not facts which opens them up to criticism and discussion. It is important here to also note that there is a difference between something being good and something being enjoyable. I can enjoy a film that is ripe with plot holes, poor dialogue and effects, and that frankly fails to provide any sort of intent. Those components can make for a poorly constructed film that is by all accounts a failure to tell a full story. That, however, does not mean that people cannot enjoy it. The reverse here must also be true. The most properly constructed film of all time can be boring to people or unenjoyable. However, it is undeniably good by the standards that literary experts set on what makes a great story. Words do matter so it is important that as we debate our feelings and opinions on BvS that we draw that distinction. Saying that the movie was good can send mixed signals as we do not know if you mean you enjoyed it or if you thought the actual story was well constructed and executed. Saying that despite the problems with the film it was the most enjoyable film in a while completely gets the message across. Now, I am not saying these are my opinions. I am merely using these as generic examples.
Another important point that needs to be addressed is the constant comparison to Marvel films. I get it, Marvel and DC are competitors but that does not mean we need to make it a competition. The fact that this movie was not like Marvel films does not make it good nor bad. that is fallacious reasoning. Being different does not equate to being better or worse. Adding this in weakens the entire argument. there are more than one way to succeed. Marvel has found success with it's way of doing things and DC may find success by doing things their way. the fact that this movie, as some may say, was a "breath of fresh air, compared to Marvel's light-hearted formula" does not mean anything. Devoted Marvel fans may enjoy the way those movies are made but that doesn't mean they can't enjoy this movie or vice versa. BvS cannot be said to be good as a result of it being different than Marvel's films. Bvs cannot be said to be bad for the same reason. the two have nothing to do with each other. Comparing Marvel and DC films is a another discussion which should be conducted separately from the discussion of how good BvS was.
The other major detraction from this discussion is the old argument of how 'real comic fans' think. I used to be one of those. I used to be like the old man groaning about all of the people who are all of the sudden nerds because the love RDJ as Iron Man. I would complain about the fact they have never read a comic or didn't know and love the characters the way I did. This is an elitist nerd mentality that is obsolete now. We take it as an insult when someone says 'real comic book fans.' Not all fans of comic books feel the same way. Making the argument that BvS was great because it stayed true to the comic books means nothing. People who haven't read the comics may have easily been lost as a result and those who have may have felt that the story was not integrated well. The first Harry Potter film suffered from this same problem. while book readers may have enjoyed how true the movie was to the book, the adaption was poor because it was not a full story. When there were parts that could not be translated to film easily, they were excluded. This created a film that held an incomplete story and was almost unwatchable to newcomers. A direct translation does not always make for a good adaption for this reason. There are ways to reward comic readers that don't exclude everyone else. Exclusivity has no place in these films anymore. In addition, many comic book fans may also have problems with a comic book-based film that is too close to the source material. I know, crazy, right?
The final point to avoid when having these discussions is talking about how much money the movie has made. Just as poor critic reviews do not equate to a bad movie, huge box office standings do not equate to a good movie. There are any number of factors that can influence box office numbers. One of them could be the quality of a film but as we all should know, association does not mean causality.
If this article has interested you at all please feel free to comment and provide your thoughts. For our review please stay tuned. We will post a link to it on our Twitter and Facebook when it is up and you can also find it in the usual places iTunes, Podbean, and here on our podcast page. Thanks everyone and #StayNerdy
It is the Tuesday before the release of Batman VS Superman as I write this. Today I came across a review from Comic Book Resources. i did not read the review as I like to avoid spoilers but I did skim through the comments. Many of the commenters accused the writer of being a Marvel Fan Boy and the commenters who supported the writer posted something like 'DC Fanboys gotta come out to defend a movie they haven't even seen yet.' There were a couple of moderate comments expressing that they had seen the film during an early release and the review is spot on or that the review was the first bad one they had seen.
All of this has brought me to a point where I am very conflicted. I love the characters and I am an avid comic book reader. I do lean toward Marvel more but I also love DC. Snyder's portrayal of Superman in Man of Steel and of his parents and his iconic meaning were poor to say the least. however, I enjoyed that movie. If I can't come to terms with that in this movie, am I biased? Is this the result of my inner love for Marvel? Am I so blinded by things that I enjoy more that I open myself to criticism and the distaste of others? What happens if I love the movie? Will my fellow Marvel fans convict me for liking a DC film? Am i suddenly not a real comic book fan because I came to terms with Snyder's universe?
This is my inner conflict. I am finding it more difficult to go into this movie with an open-mind. Here is the real point. I am not worried about what criticisms will come my way and what others may think of me, despite what i said above. I am worried that my own thoughts, opinions, and predispositions will make it difficult for me to enjoy this film. I am already primed to go in with a critical eye. I have been looking forward to this movie and was an early supporter of Ben Affleck's casting while others were upset. However, reactions to the early screenings and the overhaul of marketing that has been done leading up to the film worries me. I want to like this movie, but i don't know how to avoid being overly critical of it.
I guess I will have to wait until this Thursday to finally see how I feel about it. I hope I can get past my distaste for this version of Superman and that I can find myself enjoying the film. I have been a huge proponent of Zack Snyder in the past despite his many critics. I hope the film proves that I am worrying for nothing and I hope DC has finally put itself in the right place for success. This movie has a very low probability of being a bust, but among comic fans, I wonder if it may be. Stay tuned for our final review of the film.
Thanks everyone and #StayNerdy,
Nerdy Boy Kristian
Welcome to the first installment in the Diary of a Nerdy Boy blog entries. In these installments both of us nerdy boys will look at our experiences and what it takes to maintain a consistent level of nerdiness.
This week I want to talk a little about geeking out. Geeking out happens when we see something that we get really excited about. For me it could be anything from knowing that Daredevil season 2 starts this coming Friday or seeing Spider-Man in Civil War. Geeking out is not the result of our rational thinking skills. It is a pure emotional reaction to a bit of news or an image or a trailer. It could be said that the internet geeks out when something goes viral.
From my experience, geeking out is a common occurrence among nerds and geeks. Some people call it fan girling or fan boying. It can be excessive or annoying or great because of what we as a community are sharing. This week all of Twitter freaked out about the Civil War trailer. 6 of the Top twenty trending topics on twitter were about the trailer. Of course the DC fanboys had to come out too and say some negative things but overall the trailer was well received. There are going to be so many more instances of geeking out as we move into the rest of the spring and summer. Daredevil this Friday, BvS next Friday, Civil War, Apocalypse, Suicide Squad. It is going to be a wild ride.
The special thing about geeking out is it shows our dedication and appreciation for the things we love. It brings us all together but it can also tear us apart. When we share our thoughts and feelings it opens us up to the criticisms and thoughts of others. They can take advantage of our vulnerability in those moments, encouraging us to keep our thoughts and our joy to ourselves. Don't be afraid to be yourself and represent that through your passions. It is okay to disagree but don't let personal remarks or pettiness get you down. Be you and no one can ever take that away.
This is the message we try to send every week. When we say "Stay Nerdy, Boys!" at the end of our podcast we want you to understand what we mean. We mean just what I said above. Be you. Let your passions drive you. Don't be afraid to express yourself. Embody the idea and the lifestyle. #StayNerdy
With the overhaul from marketing campaigns; can movies suffer in quality? What do I mean? Say a movie comes out with three trailers, all containing different footage, along with set photos, interviews, commercial ads, etc. Would this not ruin the potential "Shock factor?" I know I personally feel as though movie marketing campaigns are under some strange illusion that we, the viewers, have forgotten about upcoming blockbusters. With constant casting news, Set photos, Commercial ads, teasers, trailers, and interviews; what is truly left to our imagination before our viewing?
I remember the days when a movie got one trailer and maybe one interview from the director or lead actor on the film. Nowadays, however, movies get a million different ways to advertise. I believe it is due, in large part, to the exposure social media provides. The marketing ploy in every sense is brilliant. It does what it sets out to do; generate buzz. Social media is sent into a frenzy with every new detail released. A part of me loves it because it fuels heated, passionate discussions on our podcast. This is the side of the argument I would call my "Fan boy side"
The second half of me hates these marketing strategies. Let me explain why. It leaves nothing to the imagination. Now, do not get me wrong, you can still fully enjoy a movie even if half the plot has been revealed. I would call this half my "Kids Imagination" side. Where my head is in the clouds, imagining every variable of the movies with the small amount of detail given.
There are a handful of movies out there that have great marketing plans, such as, Deadpool and Ant-Man. Both movies managed to generate buzz without revealing details of the movie. Deadpool sent Ryan Reynolds to the streets to interact in public in character. Deadpool also made comedy skits that aired as commercial ads. Ant-Man built billboards and miniature signs all of Los Angeles as part of a cool ploy to peek their target audiences interest.
You have polar opposite examples of what I mean by over-marketing. These examples consist of Batman vs Superman, Suicide Squad, and Captain America: Civil War. Each movie have release an absurd amount of set photos,teasers, and trailers. Even a couple of articles that leak bits and pieces of information of the movies that help fit together like pieces to a puzzle. The more information you release, the more pieces the audiences have now acquired, in turn paints a clear picture.
This brings me back to my original question; With the overhaul from marketing campaigns; can movies suffer in quality? Along with that question what side of this argument are you on? Fan Boy or Kid Imagination?
As you may know, Scott posted an article addressing another article from which he created a list of some of his most pressing Marvel questions. He did this because the original questions were shit. If you would like to check out his article you can find it here: http://www.nerdyboysreviews.com/blog/marvels-greatest-concerns
Now to address those shit questions. Here they with the answers to them, proving why the list was so poor and why the writers are currently hiding under a rock.
Where is Abomination?
Abomination has been defeated. He is probably locked up in a supervillain prison.
Is Coulson dead or not?
Why are so many Infinity Stones linked to Earth?
Ummmm, they're not....? Read Scott's articles and he will tell you where the all are. BTW.... Odin's vault, Loki's scepter, and wherever they were in guardians....NOT EARTH.
Why did both Odin and Thanos part way with such powerful Artifacts?
Come on! Did this person even watch these movies? Thanos didn't 'part' with anything. He gave Loki the staff in order to invade Earth and eventually take over himself. That was the entire plot of the first Avengers Movie! This is just ridiculous
Why are there two Infinity Gauntlets?
How powerful is Scarlet Witch?
How powerful is she in the MCU? We'll have to wait and see. How powerful is she in the comics? Infinitely.
Were those visions of a probable future?
Just stop with these questions. You're embarrassing yourself.
Where is the Mandarin?
Who cares. Iron Man 3 was a shit cash grab. If you really want to know, watch the bonus features on the Iron Man 3 disks.
Is the Collector one of the Mad Titan’s generals?
Is Loki still working for Thanos?
Just how small is the MCU?
Did the person who wrote these questions get paid for this shit?
Are the Fantastic Four going to join the MCU?
It depends. Not likely. Fox are assholes.